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Great to hear you’re developing an ASF version. I learned all about pop-ups and the importance of offering bonus opt-ins when I did Marie Forleo’s B-School. I have opt-in forms and buttons on my main site, but hadn’t extended it to my shop site (which is on ASF).
ReplyThanks Cory. I would say it really depends on what your CMS is. There are great ones that are WordPress specific and there are great ones that work on all platforms that I have used.
They all pretty much do the same thing too so its really about picking one and start testing.
Reply@dominiquehurley:disqus Thanks for the comment Dominique. In your case Dom as you technically have two sites. You want to start by optimizing which site is getting all of the traffic. Which in your case is your main site. Once you get that one performing then I would get your ASF implementation geared up as well.
We have a whole lot more content on this coming soon.
ReplyI noticed that you can setup this type of popup with MailChimp, but I believe the email addresses would go straight into their system. Is there a way to sync Art Store Front’s contact email addresses with MailChimp’s? I would like to do that first.
ReplyMy problem with this is, you will lose a percentage of visitors to your site by deluging them with annoying pop-ups. And even if they DO sign up for emails, over what average time-frame does that convert to sales ? I’m not looking to develop a long list of email addresses I have to send periodic bulletins out to, probably having to pay for an email service like Constant Contact or others to manage the list. Because you’re only citing ONE artist, not several, I can only view this as a questionable expenditure of valuable time not to mention a possible sales-killer for my site. I’m not seeing the math on this. Great that he got 824 new sign-ups, but at a 2% conversion rate, I think I can do better than that without annoying my visitors. You have an average 20 seconds or less after a visitor arrives at your landing page for them to decide whether they’re going to stay on your site & shop/potentially purchase…..I think those odds are greatly lessened by aggravating them with pop-ups that give the impression they’ll be further annoyed via their in-box. You’re citing one artist like it’s the Holy Grail…it’s one example, not many, not a significant number, not even a fraction of all the ASF artists. I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to learn new marketing skills but your proof of concept is lacking. I’m nationally licensed and have learned a few things about marketing over the last 15 yrs; I make a living from my work and am grateful to be able to say that. I intend to do well with my not-yet-live ASF site, but would appreciate MUCH more data than just one example before I implement changes that from my perspective are risky.
ReplyFair enough and you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
As said in the post, I was squarely in your camp for a long time. I hated pop ups and they annoyed me incredibly. They still do on some sites.
I saw the light though.
I hope you and others see the light as well.
824 signups is a big deal. That’s 824 people in one month he is going to be able to market to again, and again, and again.
That’s 824 people he will start building a relationship with and nudging towards a purchase.
Whats more… In my experience the people you are worried about leaving and being pissed are NEVER going to buy from you. Its like worrying about people un-subscribing from your email list. They are not interested either, so let them go (keep the emails for Facbook custom audiences though :D).
They are not the ones you want to focus on anyway.
So as I see it your options are worry about a bunch of people that are never going to buy from you anyway or you can cater to a bunch of people that genuinely like what you do and believe in it. That just might purchase in the future.
Don’t take my word for it though. You feel strongly about your opinion, rest assured I feel strongly about mine, run a test for a few weeks. See what happens.
Lastly, I am not citing anything like its the holy grail. There is no such thing as the holy grail and that’s the biggest problem out there. There are so many that believe in one, that want to believe in one.
If you want to be successful it takes hard work like anything else. There is no shortcut.
A pop-up is not the holy grail. What it is though is a small incremental win. That’s what this blog is about. A bunch of small incremental wins, that when stacked up make for a big win.
So in reference to MUCH more data what I can say is I hope you will stick around and keep reading. I promise you will see MUCH more data but its all gonna be on small wins.
-Patrick
ReplyYes there is. I am not sure if they have released it yet or are about to release it. If its not live already its coming very soon.
I will follow up with the dev guys and find out.
ReplySmall wins are all well and good and I respect that. I work VERY hard at my career, otherwise I would not be getting those big-number checks each quarter as I do; it only took 16 years to accomplish. As for ppl not being legit buyers because they are run off by pop-ups, I’m guessing you have zero data to back that statement up. There are zillions of e-merchants selling Art online; far easier to go to one of them than try to shop on a site with pop-ups. There’s massive competition for online art buyer dollars. Instead of experimenting with my sales, I’d much prefer you coming up with more artists who are getting massive sign-ups that then convert to sales. THAT would be impressive. One guy having this happen, not so much. This isn’t an opinion but experience based on hard sales and taking the time to learn how e-shoppers function when it comes to buying art online. Not trying to hate on anybody, here…good for that guy ! And good on ASF, but I need to see more than one guy have that happen before I get enthusiastic about the idea of annoying pop-ups on my site. If it does catch on and produces even semi-reliable conversions to sales, I’m in.
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